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worryingly jolly batman ([personal profile] labellementeuse) wrote2004-12-09 06:11 pm

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It passed.

No words.

I love my country.

[identity profile] strongestdays.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! Thank god for that.
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
INDEED.

But not if you listen to Brian Tamaki. Destiny: Giving a Bad Name to Christians Everywhere.

[identity profile] strongestdays.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
Holy shit yes. He makes me go like this.

fhsjklfahskafhsjdkfhdjskafhjds Me: *bangs head on floor*
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
He nearly made me break my television about 20 minutes ago... the use of the word "perversion" totally seriously does that to me. >:O

[identity profile] strongestdays.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
are you serious? it's sick their views on it...
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
totally.

But he looked AWFUL. Who told him that slicking his hair back with MORE GREASE THAN SNAPE was a good idea? Because it totally ain't.

[identity profile] mandor700.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol have you seen his pants? Thats why he is angry I think (Tight leather!)
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-10 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
o.O O.o!!!!!

[identity profile] divinecirinde.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
Totally. He's so annoying.
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 11:10 am (UTC)(link)
*nodnodnod* he really is.

[identity profile] insane-ophelia.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
CELEBRATE, SISTER!
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
I DO!! :D

[identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 06:26 am (UTC)(link)
I really need to stop being such a horny little idiot because when I saw the item about it on the news I was only thinking about one of the celebrating gay men's very nice butt >_< *cries*



In serious, it's great news. And I don't see it as having much to do with allowing perversion; whether you consider homosexuality to be morally wrong or not, everybody deserves the same rights as everybody else, and as well as offering an alternative to marriage for heterosexual couples it gives same-sex couples equivalent rights regarding being next-of-kin and so on to those who are married. It's human rights, people
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I think he saw it as not allowing perversion, which we do under the HLRB of the eighties, but as rather condoning it, ie putting homosexual relationships on a level with heterosexual ones rather than demoting them as he thinks they should be.

The shithead.

[identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
Mhm. And being a secular country, New Zealand's laws are based on secular rather than religious morality, which has much to do with common consensus on human rights and not a lot to do with selectively picking rules out of Leviticus. Anyone can hold a perosnal belief that homosexuality is sinful, but that doesn't mean the government can legislate against it.
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly... I always have serious troubles arguing against this, for a few personal reasons- some moral stuff I will fight to be legislated for, and how does that differ from Tamaki's religious reasons? I guess I finally have to bring it down to the difference between religion and personal morality- even where the two are inseperable, as in Tamaki's case. If he was standing there saying "I think this is wrong," I wouldn't be so upset; it's him saying "GOD thinks this is wrong, for me and everyone" that's so objectionable.

[identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
Besides which, it goes right against "judge not lest ye be judged" or whatever it is, and loving everybody equally, which in my view entails treating everybody with the same respect, whether you agree with their lifestyle or not.

[identity profile] disturbed-kiwi.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
What moral stuff do you mean?
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-10 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
Um.. hard to think of some right now. Er, progressive taxes. It's a moral issue for me. Um.

Okay, i can't think of good examples. Um. prostitution reform, for example, I supported that on moral gorunds... actually, no I didn't. Um. I don't know. i'll get back to you, okay?

[identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com 2004-12-10 07:50 am (UTC)(link)
What are progressive taxes? *blush* Is that setting tax levels proportionate to income? I had a huge argument with my mum a few weeks ago regarding why I consider being rich to be wrong (My argument being that earning more than the reasonable adequate income for where you live encourages a person to love money more than their fellow man... wait, that's not relevant)
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-11 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Um, yeah, progressive taxes are the idea that you charge a percentage tax in proportion to the amount of money being earnt- there are three levels in NZ. to me the logic is clear: a person earning $100 a week can afford to lose very little of that, while someone earning $1000 can afford to lost a significantly greater sum.

What frustrates me about this is the attitude propounded by the rich everywhere- that they are earning more money because they are working harder, and that they are therefore more deserving of it that poor people and certinly should not lose any more money than they poor do. This is such a pervasive idea- and in some ways, take it to its extreme and you're talking flat tax that isn't even percentage based, which is obviously a bad idea.

[identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com 2004-12-11 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
I had no idea there were only 3 tax brackets!! So do you support the same percentage for all so there is a proportionate increase?
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-11 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
NO. I supposr the raising of the percentage as well- so the rich lose a higher percentage4 of their incme, because they can afford it.

[identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com 2004-12-11 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
*duh* I'm stupid. Noblesse oblige, etc.

[identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
I get the impression that you're ingoring me *cry*
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
What, because I'm not responding to your comment within ten seconds? Er, I do have a real life.

:)

[identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry!!! I'm delusional with youth and lack of sleep and displaying what I learnt about in the paper this morning, that teenagers can't interpret emotions. :S
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
Heh, no worries.

[identity profile] blademistress.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
*parties*

New Zealand rocks!

*thumbs nose at Brian Tamaki* Let us hope they don't manage to go ahead with thier plan to get into parliment.
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 10:17 am (UTC)(link)
*parties along*

Hmm, who's got some music?? *chairdances wildly*

Oh, god, Tamaki, he's going to LOSE LOSE LOSE, MUAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! There's just no way- you need 5% of the vote to be represented and currently they're polling at like 0.2%, or less. Probably less, very soon. ;)

[identity profile] divinecirinde.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
United Future will get more seats however. Yey!!!
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 11:13 am (UTC)(link)
..um, I guess. :p

What, they have two seats right now? ;)

[identity profile] divinecirinde.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 11:15 am (UTC)(link)
Only two. But they grow every year! :D

[identity profile] a-linz.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
*Is madly happy*

*Waves teh flag*