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[labellementeuse]

I am avoiding wanking in heroes_tv by posting here before I start getting bitchy and overly-formal over there. (Getting over-formal is particularly bad because I always manage to screw up grammar or spelling, and that really fucks with my snobby tone.) X livejournal user posted there announcing the creation of a community for gay Heroes fans. I saw it, kind of shrugged, and skipped past because I'm not actively participating in the Heroes fandom, I just don't have the energy right now. This morning I saw a post in the same comm by the same user wondering why people think it's weird for them to create a space for gay Heroes fans when there are about eight zillion Heroes fancomms out there and plenty of them are very narrowly focused (pairing comms, etc.) In the comments to both these posts I see a whole bunch of people basically saying the same thing:

         I'm not going to stop you or flame your for creating this community,
         but I don't get why you think it's necessary. Can't we all
         perve on hot folks and post slashfic in the same comms?

OK, now, while Heroes fandom is presumably (considering the predominance of slashfic) highly queer friendly - I certainly feel as safe there as I do anywhere else in fandom - I don't feel like I particularly need a safe space to talk about perving on Ali Larter, that's for sure, and would feel no concerns about posting pictures of any Heroes gal to daily_heroes. But okay, seriously, folks, SERIOUSLY, maybe part of the problem is that YOU THINK WHAT GAY FANS REALLY WANT TO DO IS TALK ABOUT HOT PEOPLE AND POST SLASHFIC. holy fucking shit. There are OTHER reasons, GOOD ones, for having a community for LGBTQ fans in any fandom. These are, among MANY, meeting other gay heroes fans (yes, I know, weird, some gay people wanna meet other gay people with interests in common! Just like some women want to meet other women who like writing and reading about Mohinder and Sylar doing it!) ; talking about the show from a gay perspective, which, shit, guys, is not just OMG I AM A BOY AND I THINK NATHAN IS SOOOO HOT. It might be talking about Zach, though. Or it might not be.

But seriously. Do these people even hear what they sound like? Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

ETA: OK, I caved and started commenting, but nobody's biting. I think I'm being too tactful. HEY. FLAME ME. I am bored and want entertainment!

probably I could get people to flame me if I commented framing the discussion like this:

Gay Fanperson: HAY GUYS, I made a community for gay heroes fans! Because sometimes gay people want to talk about things!
Straight (and some gay) Fanpeople: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, that is SO UNNECESSARY, we LOVE gay people here and YOU CAN JUST TALK ABOUT YOUR GAY STUFF HERE. By the way, by "gay stuff" we mean "hot people and slash."
Gay Fanperson: Um, OK! It's nice that gay people are welcome here but isn't it OK for a gay person to create a comm for gay fans?
Straight Fanpeople: ARE YOU CALLING US HOMOPHOBES????
Gay Fanperson: I am now!

ETA: Okay, dammit, they deleted the post. *sigh* I guess I'll have to go to class today after all.

Comments

[amarynth.livejournal.com]

The point I'm trying to make is that saying that one group - in this instance, the Catholic church - practices an exclusionary policy doesn't mean that the exclusionary policy is acceptable to any particular individual, particularly when it's a group as controversial as the Catholic church.

It's true that a straight community doesn't offer a different sub-cultural perspective, because as you rightly point out, the majority of people in every society I can think of are straight. But it can offer a different cultural perspective, because there are some aspects of straight life that gay people don't share, most notably having sex with members of the opposite gender.

And for the record, no I don't think that western society isn't dominated by the wealthy. Can I have a 'Socialism Rules OK?' badge?