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[labellementeuse]

must vent must vent must vent



oh my god, we just had a shit-hurling fight with one of my flatmates and her boyfriend and... arg. They kept saying stuff like "but you can't just give lazy people money" and then I'd say "but you can't call them lazy people and ARGH, you guys may know heaps about economics but you obviously don't know shit about the social sciences" and then they'd say "stop changing the subject." And, I'm sorry, but if you're making an argument and one of your key premises is flawed, then defeating your argument involves pointing out that flawed premise as opposed to responding to your flawed argument. Nnnngh. Some sample dialogue:

"Four weeks' holiday makes it too hard for small businesses."
(Erm, so people shouldn't have fair working conditions because it's too hard for small businesses to sustain? Not the workers' problem, sorry, since plenty of small businesses obviously *do* manage it.)

"But it's better to let rich people get richer because it gets spread around!"
(Hello, it's called the trickle down effect and it does not work, take a look at america, redistribution is necessary.)

and and and I can't keep talking about this because I'll have an aneurysm and get too pissed off (I already shouted a LOT.) So I'm stopping but nnnnnnnnngh, Mr Darwin, the stupid people are breeding and taking over the planet! And the worst bit is, they have a bit of economic theory under their belt so they think they know everything about it, these engineering students! You know what commerce and economics are taught by rich people. Take some sociology and then talk to me.

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Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[amarynth.livejournal.com]

Sociology isn't taught by rich people?

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

crying into my raspberry licorice here.

rant ranty rant. yup yup it is, but.

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[amarynth.livejournal.com]

Yea, I can get quite emotional on this subject too, but it usually makes me angry, not sad. Ah, traditional gender roles...

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[cactus-cat.livejournal.com]

It makes me angry that I get sad, does that count?

And: People, they are stoopid. Goddamnit.

Me, when I try to argue about this sort of stuff, my brain goes red and fuzzy, and I can't form a sentence. Thus I can't argue effectively at all, and I feel frustrated and pathetic. Which makes me angrier, and so it goes on...

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[shoeless-girl.livejournal.com]

Hayley? Word, mcwordy word.

Tui? I'm sorry you have stupids living with you :(

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

they're alright normally. just every time they open their mouths about politics I just ---! and half the time her boy is just winding me up which PISSES me OFF and doesn't he get that it's RUDE and CRUEL. But obvioiusly not.

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

I just get angry (Hugh made me cry! But not actually.) and frustrated and start shouting, which is useless because I am confident and I know my arguments but if I shout, nobody is listening. But the thing is, I can keep my voice down if my opposition has half a brain/has studied philosophy/etc. But this was just... nnngh.

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[amarynth.livejournal.com]

They're not really stupid, they've just absorbed the unemployed-bashing that seems to pervade this society on every level. And they doubtless know a few examples to back them up.

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

yeah. they're actually quite bright, which makes it worse, because they can be more confident and they back themselves up - they can convince themselves they're right, whereas people who aren't confirmed in their own intelligence are normally ready to admit they're wrong...

... the above sounds really horrible. Um. I just mean sometimes bright people can be real assholes.

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[cactus-cat.livejournal.com]

whereas people who aren't confirmed in their own intelligence are normally ready to admit they're wrong...

Big steaming pile of BS, IMO! From my own experience of the world, I have come to the interim conclusion that people who have no clue what they're talking about are the most confident, stubborn sons-of-bitches you'll meet.

Which is not to say that I disagree that bright people can be real arseholes, but so can everyone. It's just that we, as bright people, choose to be around more bright people when we can, and so are exposed to their arsehattery more often.

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

Haha, yeah, you may be right. The kinds of people - guys, mostly - I'm thinking of are the ones who have spent their whole lives being told by teachers and parents and friends how brilliant they are, normally born into wealthy families, who just cannot... argh, I hate them so much, even the ones who agree with me. Every now and then I get a moment of terror that I'm one, but then I think no, I question myself, I'm just loud.

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[cactus-cat.livejournal.com]

Stupid. Uncritical, a little ignorant, possibly very bright and good people in other areas, but on this point? Stupid.

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

oh, no, I was angry. You made me cry!

In an intendedly humourous, no-actual-tears involved way. :P It was more whimpering. But there was actual raspberry licorice, always a plus IMO.

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[amarynth.livejournal.com]

I lose at humour.

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

aw. *pats on head*

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[cactus-cat.livejournal.com]

Raspberry licorice FTW! :D

I'm glad Hugh didn't actually make you cry. ;)

Re: Don't get me wrong, I agree, but...

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

Me too, heh. :P