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[labellementeuse]

Did anyone see Face to Face with Kim Hill tonight?

I did. >.< Jesus, I REALLY CAN'T STAND Peter Dunne.

"The institute of marriage is about... children."
BULLSHIT!
If that's the case, why are you letting infertile men an/or women get married? Marriage is NOT about children.

"You don't need to [get married/have a civil union] to chose to live together... marriage doesn't make you love... more."
Sure. That's absolutely 100% true. No-one is saying that's not the case. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS DEBATE IS ABOUT. This is about denying that homosexual couples are able to be acknowledged as having the same type of loving relationship as a straight couple can. because, in fact, <i>that</i> is what the insitute of marriage is about. Because you don't need to be married to have children. Marriage is about showing a commitment. By not allowing gay couples to show the same commitment, as whatsisface said, you're actually encouraging both the fact of and the perception of the promiscuity of gay man (lesbians were barly touched, though I thought whatsisface made a very good point when he said that gay men, promiscuous or otherwise, comprise only half the gay community; the other is lesbian women who are widely acknowledged, at least in New Zealand, to have very long-lasting relationships.)

I could go on and make the point that many straight couples devalue the institute of marriage (for example: Britney)... but I don't personally feel that kind of argument is a good one, because
-many of the people would say "You're right. We don't like them either."
-It's more of a counterargument and point-scoring than a good solid argument for.

Meh. Opinions? I'd love to have a fight with someone, so speak up, please.

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[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

"used to people not listening unless I hold their head in place and tone down my volume..."
-it's gotten so that people tell me to shut up before I start saying anything. Sometimes they correct themselves out loud when they see me looking at them. I don't think I like it, but I can't do antyhing about it- especially as I don't usually express myself well verbally. I'm better on paper, or screen.

Mind you, at least I have never said that "People who vote National (right-wing party here) are generally less intelligent than others." Someone said that to me, but with Labour (left-wing) instead of National... *rages*

Ah, see, denominational schools here are a bit different. (whoops, almost said demoninational... freudian slip??) All private schools, round here anyway, are denominational. We also have a few Catholic schools that aren't private. But it means that if you go to a private school, which many parents prefer for their children (if they can afford it, or get a scholarship- I, the latter) you get a bit of religious education and prayers twice a week on the side. Of course Catholic private schools are more gung-ho about it. But anyway, what I was saying was you send your kid to a denominational school not always for the, well, denomination!

[blueyeti.livejournal.com]

Some teachers just sink their head in their hands when they see they've been landed with me in their class, and then quit a week later, needing years of therapy and a straightjacket...

I have never said that either. I was in the same room as someone as they said "My father could buy your whole family.", and a friend called out to the Prime Minister as he was going for his morning jog: "aren't you meant to be running the country, you facist?!" But personally, I haven't done anything like that either. Aren't we both so brilliant? *edgy eyes as I wait for someone to shoot me down for such an inaccurate statement*

Oh, I'm at a private school as well, and I think that most/all of our state schools are nondemoninational. We just have quite a lot of nondemoninational schools that are private/give scholarships more freely. So my little slice of Catholic Education doens't have everyone, but only those who are religious enough so that they'll scrape and save every last penny until they can send their kids to a good school that will give them values. Catholic schools are more 'gung-ho' about it all - you can't go there just for the privateness, you have to prove that the kid is baptised, being raised Catholic, and that the parents are also Catholic/Christian. My brother can't get into the school down the road because he's not baptised, we left the enrolement for longer than two days after his birth, and he's more likely to know what Buddha says rather than what the Pope says.