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Apr. 4th, 2005 01:06 pm
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dear world,

no, I don't, actually, care that the pope is dead. yes I am an atheist, and I think that is pretty relevant, and yes since you asked I do think it's a little absurd that his death has approximately 100 billion times more newspaper coverage than anything I remember (tsunami and 11/9 excepted). yes, I'm sure that, just like everyone else in the world, he did some good things, and how lucky for him that he had the power to spread these good things around. on the other hand, how unlucky for the rest of us that he also had power to do some bad things for everyone. yes, I'm sure that lots of other people want to know EVERYTHING about his death right down to the nitty-gritty, not to mention the gory details of the inner workings of the Vatican at the moment. so no, I don't really mind the coverage, but yes, I do think it's a little obscene to want to know in such detail how someone outside your close family died.

in conclusion, he's dead and any death is sad. but beyond thazt, no, his death isn't more important to me than any other death, and no I don;t want a minute's silence, and no I'm not going into ritual mourning, and yes I understand that you are and that's lovely for you but FUCK OFF AND LEAVE ME ALONE, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T CARE.

xxoo
T


Thank god that's out of my system. >:O

Things that have happened to me in the past few days that may be of interest:
-Saturday I went to see the Circa production of An Inspector Calls by JB Priestly. OMG SUCH A GREAT PLAY *_* My mother says it's a play that's very hard to produce well, and I suspect that's true, but WOW. it just blew me away. I would give y'all a plot synopsis but it'd be difficult to do, so I just recommend that if it ever comes to your town, go see it. <3 It's all about how, oh, we're all connected and other people are our responsibility and it's just GREAT, very lefty stuff and OMG<3. Actually, I guess it's very humanist- not in the sense of not believing in God, but in the sense of believing in humanity and believing we as humans have a responsibility towards our fellow creature. It's everything I've always wanted to say to [livejournal.com profile] megaffe when she asked me those difficult questions. *sigh*

-Yesterday my mother left for Bangkok for a week- work-sponsored trip, lucky thing- so I'm in charge of housework and things for the week. Naturally, the first thing I decided to do with this responsability is to bake a cake this morning.

-Actually, that wasn't true. Two other things happened to me this morning: while I was hanging out the washing I stepped on a bee and my foot got stung, and then in the middle of baking I trod on a piece of glass someone left there and it became embedded in my big toe- you know, one of the tiny pieces of clear glass too small to rally see but big enough to make you bleed. *cross*

So yeah. *sigh* [livejournal.com profile] shoeless_girl, I don't know how you do it.

ETA: CAKE GOOD OH YES. >:D My chocolate cake kicks your chocolate cake's ass anyday.

Date: 2005-04-04 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mandor700.livejournal.com
Dammit! I was so about to see that play but I just discovered that Sat was its last day! GRR! Now I'm regretting seeing Che instead, and it's never a good day to regret seeing Che.
Oh, I think that yea the Pope is overblown but at least he was a pretty cool Cat (by Pope standards) and his death really is more important than average, if for no other reason than the Catholic church is going to come out of its near permanent hibernation for a few weeks. THe funny thing tho, is that none of the media can decide if he was a liberal or conservative Pope, which makes it difficult these days when your political allegiance often is more important than your name.

Date: 2005-04-04 02:19 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
... well, no, actually, he was one of the more conservative popes we've had for a while? So I don't know I would really categorise that as "cool".

Also, you know, I can see why, if the Catholic church is important to you- if you're Catholic, or if you have to deal directly with the Catholic church on a regular basis- then yeah, in that case, the Pope's death is important in a reality-based (rather than grief-based) way. But for me, it's not- I mean, sure, the Catholic church is actually doing something for once, but it's not going to have any immediate effect on, well, anything pretty much. The catholic church is not going to change overnight- even if a really liberal Pope was elected, the institution is going to stay just as conservative as it was three days ago. Yes, ultimately the Catholic church will change, but it's going to take a long, long time- this is why the Catholic church is already so out of touch, to be blunt, with most of its, er, parishioners. It doesn't help that the job of Pope is a job for life, but eventually the Pope is going to have grown up in a society that totally accepts contraception as necessary, or one that believes that condoms really do help prevent the spread of AIDS, and eventually the church will change to incorporate that- when no-one believes that condoms don't work, it will have to. But it is not going to change overnight, I guess is my point.

Date: 2005-04-04 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mandor700.livejournal.com
Thats the beauty of it! I was in school, Classics internals are a good time to check your mail (just pre-empting a telling off, theres people playing internet pong and watching salad fingers so taking a few secs out of my Orpheus report to do my LJ is decidedly mild).
No Ecumenica Filth here, I'm an atheist. But I still think that, looking into it, by pope standards he was probably pretty liberal compared to what the Catholics have got up to in the past, which makes Fox look like Bill Hicks.
Hehehe my brothers gf Sam thought that they selected a new pope by burning CVs untill one burnt white! And she goes to St Caths.
Having said that however it is quite nice in that, your right, I don't have to care about something that bores or frustrates me for a change, like with the US election where you kinda have to take an interest for your own good.

Date: 2005-04-04 03:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
PS: why aren't you at school, young man?

Date: 2005-04-04 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com
or how people seem to think that political and moral conservatism/liberalness need to go together. You can be politically liberal and morally conservative or vice versa.

Date: 2005-04-04 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mandor700.livejournal.com
Thats a good point.
Its scary, Fox has big Ds and Rs next to peoples names these days!

Date: 2005-04-04 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com
That's slightly what I said on a particular forum last night - seeing as I'm not Catholic and don't agree with the idea of one person being God's earthly representative and ruling a religion etc etc etc (we're all equal as far as I'm concerned), the Pope's death means no more to me than say if it was some old actor whose name everybody knows but I've never noticed much.

Date: 2005-04-04 04:28 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
Yeah, exactly. I mean, if people want to be all sad and stuff, go ahead, but stop bugging me for a reaction because I don't have one, you know?

Date: 2005-04-04 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com
The pope was a cute li'l old man, but he has no spiritual relevance to me, y'know?

Date: 2005-04-04 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shoeless-girl.livejournal.com
I'm with you on the Pope thing. Yes it's very sad, but wait, no not really. He was old, he's done his time, um.. yeah. And all the people that said he was such a good man? Ah... no. I'm not at all down with some of his declarations.

Moving on...

I'm sorry that you stood on glass and stubbed your toe :( You sort of get used to that sort of thing. The calluses on my feet are pretty hardcore, so I don't feel a lot, but that sort of thing is always ouchy!

Date: 2005-04-04 06:46 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
Yeah, exactly.

Heh, maybe that's my trouble. I need to toughen up. ;)

Date: 2005-04-04 06:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysade.livejournal.com
The general attitude around my house was: "Cool!"

We're insensitive.

About popes, not toes. Matter of fact, I'd rather the Pope died than your foot got stabbed...

Date: 2005-04-04 06:50 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
See, as far as I'm concerned, it's not insensitive. I mean, maybe thinking "cool!" that someone has died is a little harsh, but I really resent all the media telling me it's rude not to be like _really really sad_.

Date: 2005-04-04 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysade.livejournal.com
How does the phrase go?

"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure."
--Clarence Darrow

Date: 2005-04-04 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] megaffe.livejournal.com
I've seen an inspector calls - at least, I think I have, but I thought it was by someone else - It was, from memory, set in Russia, and very depressed - everyone sat round saying "I'm depressed" a lot (or variants thereof). It was a good play though. Perhaps by Checkhov? (and yes, I know I spelt that wrong).

Date: 2005-04-04 09:06 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
Er... different play! But I'm sure it was good (and probably Checkov. It sounds Checkov, with the Russia and the depression and all. Actually, everything set in russia is depressing. But you know.

Not because Russia is depressing. Just, everything set in Russia, it's all about the ANGST.)

Date: 2005-04-04 08:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] disturbed-kiwi.livejournal.com
The thing I found saddest was a sick old man trying to speak to masses of people who fervently believe in his greatness and being unable to simply talk.

I found that very pathetic (in the pathos sense, y'ken?)

Date: 2005-04-04 09:06 am (UTC)

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