HBP SPOILERS
Jul. 16th, 2005 06:12 pmI have totally read it. XD XD XD XD
Um, so thoughts, loosely sorted, not particularly thoughtful.. :P
The book as a whole
Simply, I think this was very much a return to the pre-OotP books. Or, perhaps, I think that fandom interpreted OotP radically differently, and it will need to be dramatically reconsidered in context of the series.
Okay, okay, I totally, totally loved it. Way more than OotP. OMG. *squees a bit cheerfully* I thought the pacing was really excellent, actually, it didn't drag at all- it's a slimmer book than OotP and I actually think it's better for it.
How I think the fandom's going to take it... well, I don't know, really. I'm surprised at how little interHouse dialogue and action was shown; surprised, and disappointed, because I really thought they had a good thing going with the DA and I'm sad that that's been lost, that the spirit of interHouse unity has been lost with the aforementioned return, stylistically and content-wise, to the earlier books. Actually, along with that, we also lost our perspective of the Wizarding World outside Hogwarts in many ways- although I loved the bits with Rufus and Harry, and with the Muggle Prime Minister. :P
Also, sadly, I think we've kind of lost some of the complex characterisation... Snape (on whom, more later) was in many ways the most complex character and, clearly, that has been totally lost.
Harry through the book was a lot happier, which I'm really pleased about.
I thought there were some really accurate representations of social interactions between teenagers- not just shippingwise, but in general.
I liked most- all- of the introduced characters.
I wish we'd seen a little more of Minerva McGonagall.
Overall? It was a real delight to read, and not just because I've been waiting so long...
Major Plot Points/Events
SNAPE. EVIL? OMG WTF BBQ *BLOWN AWAY*.
I really didn't see that coming.
Yeah.
um.
I don't think I can really verbalise my feelings about this, except I am really incredibly surprised and impressed that she managed to pull this off- I am disappointed in that it means we've kind of lost the idea that there can be unpleasant people on the Side of Good, but I don't want to gfive the impression that I didn't love this book, and even this twist, because I do. Hooboy.
Also him teaching DADA! Which should have been our big clue that he was evil (if he really is... I'd like to hold out hope for his redemption but...) It's ALWAYS the DADA teacher.
The memories/Horcruxes (sp? it's upstairs) thing was really cool. And interesting when you consider this has been in the background of the whole series, that she knew this way back when she was writing Chamber.
Dumbledore's death... really sad, yes, but also fulfilling. I really liked the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore in this book. I really liked Dumbledore as well, which I never really have before-
sixth_light suggests that in many ways this book is profoundly about Dumbledore making mistakes and being made human, and yet I find that at the end of this book I admire and respect Dumbledore much more than I did at the end of all the other ones, and not because of his death.
Weren't we supposed to find out something startling about Lily? Because we, like, totally didn't.
Shipping
Harry/Ginny: Totally awesome! I'm a convert. ^^ I was surprised at hot quickly it went but I thought it was quite an accurate surface portrayal of being a teenager.
Ron/Hermione: YEAH! XD I thought this was adorable Even the Ron/Lavender. I confess I'm a little surprised we didn't have even a snog by the end of the book, but oh well. I really liked "I was going to ask you to the Christmas Party but I can ask (x person, I forget) if you'd prefer!" "No, I wouldn't." [said Ron quietly]
Remus/Tonks... *sigh* I saw it coming from at least half-way through the book, so at least I was prepared (the big tipoff, for me, was the bit where Harry sees Tonks and she's like "Have you heard from any of the Order?" and he's like "No" and she's like "omg my life is over." I think this happens just before or after Remus mentions he hasn't been able to write because he's been underground. I thought that was fairly obvious so I'm surprised Lucy didn't pick it; she reckoned it came as a (pleasant, for her) bolt from the blue at the end.)
So I'm not totally happy about this, because I just do not like Remus/Tonks. I'm sorry, to me it smacks of- heh, new word- a very heterosexist worldview whereby characters achieve happiness only through a heterosexual relationship. This is not just a consequence of my shipping Remus/Sirius, I will add. It reminds me a lot of A Merchant of Venice although this may be helped along by the fact that my course reader for the Shakespeare course has a whole essay on reading TMOV with a non-heterosexist viewpoint, and the consequences of heterosexist direction.
I really liked Harry making friends with Luna! :) I hope we see more of Luna and Neville.
Finally: I liked the conclusion, because I like Harry depending on Ron and Hermione. I hope Luna, Neville and of course Ginny also help Harry Defeat Voldemort (tm). I am not a huge fan of the lone hero.
I finished it ten minutes after it went on sale in teh States. Heh.
Um, so thoughts, loosely sorted, not particularly thoughtful.. :P
The book as a whole
Simply, I think this was very much a return to the pre-OotP books. Or, perhaps, I think that fandom interpreted OotP radically differently, and it will need to be dramatically reconsidered in context of the series.
Okay, okay, I totally, totally loved it. Way more than OotP. OMG. *squees a bit cheerfully* I thought the pacing was really excellent, actually, it didn't drag at all- it's a slimmer book than OotP and I actually think it's better for it.
How I think the fandom's going to take it... well, I don't know, really. I'm surprised at how little interHouse dialogue and action was shown; surprised, and disappointed, because I really thought they had a good thing going with the DA and I'm sad that that's been lost, that the spirit of interHouse unity has been lost with the aforementioned return, stylistically and content-wise, to the earlier books. Actually, along with that, we also lost our perspective of the Wizarding World outside Hogwarts in many ways- although I loved the bits with Rufus and Harry, and with the Muggle Prime Minister. :P
Also, sadly, I think we've kind of lost some of the complex characterisation... Snape (on whom, more later) was in many ways the most complex character and, clearly, that has been totally lost.
Harry through the book was a lot happier, which I'm really pleased about.
I thought there were some really accurate representations of social interactions between teenagers- not just shippingwise, but in general.
I liked most- all- of the introduced characters.
I wish we'd seen a little more of Minerva McGonagall.
Overall? It was a real delight to read, and not just because I've been waiting so long...
Major Plot Points/Events
SNAPE. EVIL? OMG WTF BBQ *BLOWN AWAY*.
I really didn't see that coming.
Yeah.
um.
I don't think I can really verbalise my feelings about this, except I am really incredibly surprised and impressed that she managed to pull this off- I am disappointed in that it means we've kind of lost the idea that there can be unpleasant people on the Side of Good, but I don't want to gfive the impression that I didn't love this book, and even this twist, because I do. Hooboy.
Also him teaching DADA! Which should have been our big clue that he was evil (if he really is... I'd like to hold out hope for his redemption but...) It's ALWAYS the DADA teacher.
The memories/Horcruxes (sp? it's upstairs) thing was really cool. And interesting when you consider this has been in the background of the whole series, that she knew this way back when she was writing Chamber.
Dumbledore's death... really sad, yes, but also fulfilling. I really liked the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore in this book. I really liked Dumbledore as well, which I never really have before-
Weren't we supposed to find out something startling about Lily? Because we, like, totally didn't.
Shipping
Harry/Ginny: Totally awesome! I'm a convert. ^^ I was surprised at hot quickly it went but I thought it was quite an accurate surface portrayal of being a teenager.
Ron/Hermione: YEAH! XD I thought this was adorable Even the Ron/Lavender. I confess I'm a little surprised we didn't have even a snog by the end of the book, but oh well. I really liked "I was going to ask you to the Christmas Party but I can ask (x person, I forget) if you'd prefer!" "No, I wouldn't." [said Ron quietly]
Remus/Tonks... *sigh* I saw it coming from at least half-way through the book, so at least I was prepared (the big tipoff, for me, was the bit where Harry sees Tonks and she's like "Have you heard from any of the Order?" and he's like "No" and she's like "omg my life is over." I think this happens just before or after Remus mentions he hasn't been able to write because he's been underground. I thought that was fairly obvious so I'm surprised Lucy didn't pick it; she reckoned it came as a (pleasant, for her) bolt from the blue at the end.)
So I'm not totally happy about this, because I just do not like Remus/Tonks. I'm sorry, to me it smacks of- heh, new word- a very heterosexist worldview whereby characters achieve happiness only through a heterosexual relationship. This is not just a consequence of my shipping Remus/Sirius, I will add. It reminds me a lot of A Merchant of Venice although this may be helped along by the fact that my course reader for the Shakespeare course has a whole essay on reading TMOV with a non-heterosexist viewpoint, and the consequences of heterosexist direction.
I really liked Harry making friends with Luna! :) I hope we see more of Luna and Neville.
Finally: I liked the conclusion, because I like Harry depending on Ron and Hermione. I hope Luna, Neville and of course Ginny also help Harry Defeat Voldemort (tm). I am not a huge fan of the lone hero.
I finished it ten minutes after it went on sale in teh States. Heh.
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Date: 2005-07-16 06:58 am (UTC)I have to admit to not much liking the Harry/Ginny even though I ship it. It just felt really sudden. The Ron/Hermione was so cute though! Even if it's still not quite realised and they were so horrible to each other.
I really liked the idea of the horcruxes. Am looking forward to reading more about them.
I'm probably going to delete this icon tonight, so I think I'll use it one last time *weeps*
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Date: 2005-07-16 07:14 am (UTC)Hmm, well, as I say, I become converted- I can see how it was a little rushed, certainly in comparision to Ron and Hermione, or Harry and Cho- but then, Harry was crushing on Cho in second year or something ridiculous like that...
Aw. *pets icon* Yeah, it isn't really all that appropriate, is it?
I want to go look on Snape fansites/communities and see the mourning. *evil*
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Date: 2005-07-16 07:50 am (UTC)I want to see the fallout on the H/H comms. Oh yes. *ebil*
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Date: 2005-07-16 11:07 am (UTC)Anyway.
Harry and Ginny get together and you feel like it's sudden? But, but, but, they've been a romantica in potentia since we first met Ginny. I totally expected this since the first book.
So, snape = evil? Thats very very intriguing and, yes, a shame that nasty people must be the evil. A little too black and white. But hey, maybe its what she meant all along and not simply an attempt to make the story more childlike...
So...
I'm looking forward to reading this.
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Date: 2005-07-17 01:01 am (UTC)You kind of... have to read it.
So, snape = evil?
Well... there is some doubt. But not, really, very much. :-/
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Date: 2005-07-17 12:59 am (UTC)Yeah, that's my feeling- a lot of people have said to me that they thought all sorts of stuff was rushed, or whatever, and I was just "But... that's what teenagers are like."