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[labellementeuse]

:-/ So, gals and guys, I miss Supernatural. I miss loving it so hard, I miss being excited on Fridays - I really miss having a majority of my shows genre shows (I am watching so much freakin' drama right now I can't stand it. I need me some vampires/demons/dragons/fantasy/whatnot.) I really struggled with SPN last season, got half-way through "Jus in Bello" and then got frustrated with it and quit. Still haven't seen the rest of that season, have monumental problems with a lot of it. BUT. The title for 4x02? I am a sucker for Judy Blume references. Judy Blume + this show? Amazing! So I'm having a moment of wistfulness.

All this in mind... should I give season 4 another go? If so, which of the last four episodes of the last season should I watch? Which ones are funny? Which ones do a minimum of damage to women? Which ones don't include Bela and Ruby - not because I don't like them; I do. I just don't want to deal with Dean dealing with them unless I really get my love for the show back. Give me some advices!

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[ellipsisblack.livejournal.com]

In 3.15, I think, you get quite a lot of Bela, including her backstory--well. If you're off the Dean&women thing, then you don't want to watch 3.15. I found 3.13 both dull and pointless, but it does have the advantage of being quite monster-plotty and not very manpainy, and some people found it pretty funny (in a "Hollywood Babylon" kind of way). 3.14 I remember being reaaaaally irked by, but I can't remember why. Possibly bad plotting. So I think you're safe on 3.13 and 3.14, but skip 3.15. I can't remember where Ruby shows up. I think she's in a couple of those episodes.

3.16 is pretty light-on Ruby, and has no Bela, and it... does what it needs to, I guess. I dunno, I don't at all like the demon war mytharc, so the mytharc episodes this season left me really underwhelmed. But that aside, I guess the finale was decent. Nothing in the league of the s1 or s2 enders though.

SPOILERY comments about women in 4.01 (highlight): END SPOILERS.

I too am still really attached to Supernatural, and I'll probably stick around for 4.03, which has young!John and young!Mary, since I'm a sucker for John. But given how much the treatment of John in s3 irked me, I'll probably just end up pissed off. *facepalm* I really don't want to give up on SPN, because I used to love it so much, and I still love the idea of it, and Sam and Dean and Jensen and Jared, but I just don't like the demon war thing at all, and like all genre shows, it is heading more for the serial and less for the MotW format. Which sucks, because I loved the really good MotWs, and I loved the family drama, which has really been sidelined, or at least... been changed. Sam and Dean are now, to me, this weird cariacature of omg super dooper best friend brothas, which I find really hard to empathise with. The family messed-uppedness of s1 and s2 was fascinating. The new dynamic is... less so. To me, anyway. But I still can't stop watching it, because I want to love it again! I want episodes to knock me over like "Devil's Trap" and "In My Time of Dying", and "Nightshifter", you know? I don't want to give up on Show. D:

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the tips! (Also, you are totally the ideal person to do this for me, since I think we basically agree on the show's, you know... Issues. Its Women Issues and Race Issues and Dean Issues.) I'm really hoping to coast through the end of season 3 holding my nose, and have season 4 revitalise me - although your comments about 4x01? :-///////.

I really don't want to give up on SPN, because I used to love it so much, and I still love the idea of it, and Sam and Dean and Jensen and Jared, but I just don't like the demon war thing at all, and like all genre shows, it is heading more for the serial and less for the MotW format.

I completely agree. And I also feel that Kripke doesn't really seem to be cut out to do those big serial arcs effectively - which, frankly, I think very few writers/creators are. I'm neutral on the demon war thing - I didn't like what I saw of it in s3, but I think this is complicated by things like the way many of the demons were played by women, and poorly treated, etc. (I also think that a demons vs hunters war is a really cool idea - if you have a whole gang of hunters who communicate with each other on a semi-regular basis and co-ordinate even a little bit. And SPN is just so FAR from that it's frustrating.)

I guess I quit on the show for awhile because of the degree to which me being pissed off outweighed me being squeeful on every episode, so I don't really know if anything will have changed - maybe I'm emotionally detached enough to get over it, or something.