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Maia has a really, really good post about perceptions of rape and rapists at THM.

This idea is dangerous because when people hear that one of their male friends has been accused of raping one of their female friends, then in order to believe their female friend something has to give. Either people abandon their idea that rapists are all 'bad people' or they abandon the idea that their friend is a good person. But often neither of these things happen, and instead this person (who had been rigorously berating the evils of rape) doesn't believe the woman who was raped.
- Here, really recommended.


To expand on this a little in the slightly wider context of our attitudes to criminals: we like to believe that criminals, especially violent criminals, and especially sex offenders are just random violent anomalies - monsters that come out of nowhere that society then has to deal with and "get off the streets" and "punish". This is a seductive myth for two reasons: firstly, as Maia describes, no-one wants to think that our friends and family have the potential to hurt people. Maia also points out why that's dangerous; also, of course, believing that people who commit crimes are random monsters is also going to make you sceptical of things like rehabilitation & human rights in prisons (although there are some fallacies there, but never mind.)

But there's a second reason: we like this idea because it disclaims responsibility. Because if we don't think that criminals are just innately monstrous, we maybe have to think about the fact that there's something at work in our society that is producing crime. We don't want to accept that continuing objectification of women in the media, and the power that men retain over women, means that rape within the confines of marriage is a reality for a lot of women - not one or two. We don't want to accept that our unwillingness to criticise guys who make jokes about drunk girls contributes to those same guys, or their friends, feeling comfortable about going out and date-raping someone because lack of capacity to say "no" is reinterpreted as consent. We don't want to accept that frustration with the poverty trap might lead someone to rob a bank.

And this is dangerous because it really stops us fixing the problem, and let me be clear here: the problem is not criminals, the problem is society. This is why I find tough on crime initiatives to be poorly named: "tough on crime" policies aren't, really, tough on crime, because being tough on crime means reducing poverty, and being tough on crime means changing our attitudes towards the way men drink and behave, and being tough on crime means speaking out about domestic violence in a way that accepts that people who commit domestic violence aren't random monsters - and by the way, this is a reason that I think the White Ribbon campaign is really valuable (and it apparently quadrupled the number of calls to the domestic violence self-help phone line.) This is a campaign "by men for men" about domestic violence: it doesn't call on women to stop being beaten, it addresses men and tells them to stop beating their wives and families. Just by starting to have that conversation, the White Ribbon campaign is demonstrating that there is a conversation to have - that people who commit domestic violence can have a conversation about that, because they're not monsters.

OK, I gotta go, so this isn't quite finished, but my last paragraph was only going to be "and this is why National and their tough on crime initiatives suck", so you can fill in the blank yourself.

Date: 2009-02-05 11:58 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
I was thinking about my reply to this comment this morning and now I forget what I was going to say, but it was basically going to be themes on "No." Othering someone is not the same thing as requiring them to accept responsibility for their actions, or accepting that you are *not* responsible for *their* actions. Othering is a destructive process which acts to marginalise groups in society. I believe that the othering of criminals produces a system in which criminals get worse and worse, attention is focused on blaming them rather than identifying causes of criminality, and consequently levels of crime *increase*. By participating in this process, therefore, women would be producing more nett rapes! That's not productive! No!

Date: 2009-02-06 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amarynth.livejournal.com
OK, I think I see what you're saying, but let me get this straight.

At the moment, people, including but not limited to women, are othering rapists.

Othering rapists causes more rape.

Therefore, women's actions are producing rape.

Despite the fact that their actions produce rape, women aren't responsible for rape.

Date: 2009-02-06 02:13 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
Individual women aren't responsible for their own rapes. Society generally is responsible for the social distribution that contributes to crime of all kinds, including domestic violence and rape, but also theft, murder, assault, etc. Women are part of society.

There is a further aspect that women are not the power-holding group in this sitch, they are the powerless group - women are not responsible for what is known as rape culture, and so to the extent that it's valuable to say "X group is responsible for rape", then fine, "men are more responsible for rape than women." But, look: I am a wealthy white woman. I have power in society - less than my brothers, more than a lot of people. If I use that power to contribute to a society that supports the cycle of poverty and crime, shit yes I am responsible for that!

Obviously, women who commit rape are responsible for that as well.

Date: 2009-02-06 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amarynth.livejournal.com
So it's the difference between individual women and women as a group (and as part of a larger group, eg society)

Well, that clears it up for me.

Date: 2009-02-06 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amarynth.livejournal.com
Oh and as an addendum - the reason I pursued this, despite knowing it would probably come off as annoyingly finickity hair-splitting, is that I have seen some feminist writing which wrote off the idea of rape as being caused by socio-economic stresses as another way men try to deflect responsibility away from ending rape onto themselves. Which I found somewhat startling, although on reflection I could see where they were coming from.

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