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Religion meme ganked off [livejournal.com profile] sixth_light. I want to know what Unitarian Universalism is, and also, I want to know what a girl has to do to get nontheist around here. OTOH, I'm pretty pleased with Secular Humanist, as that's where I've always buttonholed myself, basically. So yay. (Er, and, Liberal Quakers, wtf?)


1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8041_1.html
2. Secular Humanism (98%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8040_1.html
3. Liberal Quakers (90%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8038_1.html
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (90%)
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8028_1.html
5. Neo-Pagan (72%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8058_1.html
6. Nontheist (72%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8027_1.html
7. Theravada Buddhism (69%)
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8042_1.html
8. Bahá'í Faith (60%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8051_1.html
9. New Age (54%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8055_1.html
10. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (53%)
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8035_1.html
11. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (49%)
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8039_1.html
12. Taoism (48%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8059_1.html
13. Reform Judaism (47%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8054_1.html
14. Orthodox Quaker (42%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8037_1.html
15. Mahayana Buddhism (42%)
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8045_1.html
16. Jehovah's Witness (38%)
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8034_1.html
17. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (38%)
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8029_1.html
18. New Thought (38%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8056_1.html
19. Scientology (32%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8057_1.html
20. Sikhism (31%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8049_1.html
21. Jainism (28%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8048_1.html
22. Seventh Day Adventist (22%)
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8036_1.html
23. Hinduism (19%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8047_1.html
24. Islam (18%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8052_1.html
25. Orthodox Judaism (18%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8053_1.html
26. Eastern Orthodox (16%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8033_1.html
27. Roman Catholic (16%) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8030_1.html


And brief life update: exams suck, but I'm surviving, kinda. Pretty much. Three down, seven to go. Woo.

dood

Date: 2004-11-16 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] v-card.livejournal.com
if your on the computer right now..GO ON MSN!!

i know what a jafa is. Just Another Fucking Aucklander...our schools rugby coach calls him that,hes from NZ too.

Date: 2004-11-16 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriamus.livejournal.com
Did you read the description? Liberal Quakers are the shiznit. Although this is coming from someone having a religious exploration phase, so...

Date: 2004-11-16 08:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hepburn66.livejournal.com
sorry i had to go so suddenly b4 but i got busted using both phone lines and mum was having a fit at me. so yeah. um i had something important to say but it's gone now. grrrrr. man that pisses me off. i'm trying to get info out of darryl, it's fun lol. hmm man now i'm really pissed off. ok i'll txt u when i think of it. (i am now banging my head against my wall) hehe see you thurs!
luv jenni

Date: 2004-11-16 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] persephone-kore.livejournal.com
I want to know what a girl has to do to get nontheist around here.

Well, I went to try rigging my answers for that and got it first try. Based on a second try to check out a suspicion, may I ask whether perhaps you (or you two) answered 13-20 (abortion through reverence for nature) based on what you thought should be the case in society as a whole? I think, judging from the way the instructions are phrased (respond "based on how you would want your religion or faith category to address them"), they're expecting people who don't want to be associated with any particular belief system to reply "not applicable." (I suppose they're taking Secular Humanism to be more organized, or something, than plain nontheism.)

Anyway, I got 100% Nontheist (with Secular Humanism in second place at 100%, perhaps alphabetically) by putting "not applicable" for each of those, and Secular Humanism or Unitarian Universalist by putting what I thought you would if you were agreeing or disagreeing with the statements themselves. (Took it twice, one of each, must've changed an answer somewhere.)

Aside from the confusion if you skip that instruction, though, the phrasing on those questions is ambiguous anyway -- "disagree" could apply equally well if someone means "My faith should or does take the opposite position" or "My faith shouldn't or doesn't have an 'official' position on this at all."

Date: 2004-11-16 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] persephone-kore.livejournal.com
--Looked up their links. The descriptions they're going on are basically that atheism or agnosticism by itself doesn't imply any particular moral or societal stance, whereas secular humanism is mostly atheistic or agnostic and has a moral and social agenda. But you probably read that already by now.

Date: 2004-11-16 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sixth-light.livejournal.com
*pulls hair*

What is it with people assuming that lack of belief in religion = lack of moral stances? Huh? HUH?

I know, I know, what they mean is that non-theism (stupid name, anyway) does not have one particular social stance you can apply to it. But you'd think they could just ditch non-theism and have "conservative secular" and "liberal secular". Or something.

Which raises the interesting point of how much religion is actually tied in to political views, as much as the Western world tries to separate the two...

Date: 2004-11-16 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] persephone-kore.livejournal.com
Um, they've GOT secular humanism in there as a lack of belief in religion with a specific set of moral stances....

Date: 2004-11-16 11:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
*agrees with PK* They have non-theist without connected moral structures because there are many people in this world who do not believe in God who also do not connect their moral structures to each other, or to one particular idea or whatever like I do. (That's humanism, kinda)

Date: 2004-11-16 11:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
*grins* Well, you're quite right, that's exactly what I did. *thoughtful* And I think I actually agree with the quizmeisters here... they're right because atheism really doesn't have a moral code associated with it directly. I believe atheists to be, generally, equally moral to participants in any other belief system, but unlike other belief systems atheism doesn't have a prescribed set of them- you can be an atheist anti-abortionist, after all.

I guess that's why they had secular humanism in there: because some atheists- or nontheists- like for example Meg do not associate moral beliefs with their religion or other beliefs. or even vaguely disapprove of having morals at all, which I get from Meg from time to time- no, not really...:p

Date: 2004-11-18 02:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hey! I have a very structured moral code - it's "no one should do anything to hurt others, but anything which hurts no-one except the actioner is something no-one else should interfear with.
How it releates to Gog/religion is a bit more ambivilant... seeing as I don't know if there is a God!
-meg-

Date: 2004-11-18 04:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'd imagine that how it related to Gog would be pretty ambivalent, yeah... ;)

Actioner? do-er? And I'd lay you a good amount of money it's interfere, although interfear certainly has a goodly amount of thingy, you know, connotations to it...

And personally, I don't think that's a real structured moral code, myself. I think a moral code has things wihc are important, and stuff. Anyway, I know you have one, I was joking. :p

Date: 2004-11-16 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] insane-ophelia.livejournal.com
I believe that [livejournal.com profile] primroseburrows is a Unitarian Universalist. She's a darling. I think the philosophy is that everyone is on their own spiritual path, and that they are encouraged to understand all kinds of religions and find what type best suits them. Sounds like a pretty good idea to me...

Did you know, my maori teacher is a Shintoist?



Date: 2004-11-16 11:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com
Shinto? *laughs* freaky.

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